beyond the classroom 2.0

November 28, 2006


Filed under: Uncategorized — talbot @ 7:56 pm

I just finished readng Knowledge of the Holy by Tozer and in that book he really stresses the unity of God’s attributes.  He says that when we elevate one of God attributes above another we create a problem.  It seems that in this society we take one attribute and run with it, like say God’s love verses God holiness; his mercy verses justice.  It seems from here we have created CW and HW.  What do you think.

Real Question

Filed under: Uncategorized — conorwaters @ 6:49 pm

Ok this is the first time I have asked a real question as opposed to trying to make a point.
What does Carson mean by “Reformed worship”?


Filed under: Nov. 15-28 — lissa264 @ 12:02 pm

I was also a bit shocked by their purposefully including non-Christians in their music team, but since Emily already asked that question, I will ask a different one:

What do you think about musicians who regularly play at different churches?
Do you think that they should be primarily committed to one church and use their musical gifts to serve that community (not to the exclusion of occasionally helping out another congregation)?
Or from the church’s perspective, is it preferable for your musicians to be people who are committed to your community and regularly attend and take part in its activities (not that they shouldn’t be professionals or get paid)?

November 27, 2006

Worship my way!

Filed under: Uncategorized — blindlyaware @ 5:25 pm

As I read a section from 194-195.

“Finally any corporate worship that is strictly contemporary will become dated very quickly.  Also, it will neccessarily be gauged to a very narrow market niche…” then goes on to say, “Hidden (but not well) in the arguments of Contemporary worship enthusiasts is the assumption that culture is basically neutral and that thus there is no reason why we cannot wholly adopt any particular cultural form for our gathered worship.  But worsihp that is not rooted in any particular historic tradition will often lack the critical distance neccessary to critique and avoid the excesses and distorted sinful elements of the particular surrounding culture.”

I wondered from this quote from his book if this was a reaction to particular worship style or if he means this litterally?!?  I ask this for a specific reason.

[here is my question]- If we’re not supposed to bring our culture into our worship then how will missionaries teach others about right worship in their native tongue and culture?

I guess we Westerners have the worship all figured out so there is no need to teach others how to worship in their culture.  right?…ehhh…no

November 25, 2006

We must go

Filed under: Assignments,Nov. 15-28 — ciufrenchie @ 11:45 pm

“It is not just faith in general, but worship in particular that will be the fountain of strength and desire to work for peace and justice in the world” (221) 

Tim Hughes refers to the importance of God’s justice and how we must go to reach out to the lost (song: God of Justice – We Must Go). 

“We must go live to feed the hungry
Stand beside the broken
We must go

Stepping forward keep us from just singing
Move us into action
We must go

Fill us up and send us out
Fill us up and send us out
Fill us up and send us out Lord”

I often lose the idea that worship should lead me out to bear His name to the world.  I appreciate that Tim Keller talks about that and refreshes my mind on that subject.  Where is the church today on this issue?  Shouldn’t the church be the number one in matters of social help?  If we are worshipping God truly would we not be burdened with His pure desire to see His people rescued?  Just thinking…


Filed under: Nov. 15-28 — embly @ 7:52 pm

I was kind of shocked by the fact that they hired professionals to do their music and allowed Non-believers to be on the worship team.  Now don’t get me wrong…I think it is great to implement non-believers into your church but it kind of seems like having them help lead a worship service is making a mockery of it.  We’ve always heard that if you can’t lead others unless you’ve been there yourself and we view leaders in the church of a higher standard.  Shouldn’t we have high standards for our musicians?  Just as Paul and Timothy gave us creditials for a leader in the church don’t you think we should require our leaders on the music team to fulfill some sort of standards as well? 

November 21, 2006

3:05pm Saturday

Filed under: Uncategorized — kerney4 @ 5:21 pm

On page 209 he was dissing churches that put a lot of ‘pomp’ into their ceremonies. Which I can understand a lil bit where he is coming from – church should not be a show or a performance, but at the same time I think he was being a little bit judgemental.  When he says, “Does God need a great performance before he will give us his favor?” Of course not! I doubt that churches who have beautiful music, architechture, ect. think so.  It is like obeying God – we know we do not need to do this to gain his favor or love, but we do it because we love Him and want to give Him our best, because He is our King and died for us!  The same with music or whatever, we give it everything we have because we love Him, not to get Him to love us.  I just thought this statement looked at good performance with the wrong attitude to try and justify somethng else.  Did anyone else?  What is the role of good musicianship, preaching, architechture, ect in church?  Should we give it our best or is this pomp?


Filed under: Uncategorized — Danny Oakes @ 12:07 am

So I felt like in Kimball’s chapter nine the tow models were only different by a hair.  I think that Kimball is assuming is making broad generalizations about the state of the church.  The healty kind of church he is describing that is joined by peopel rather than service I agree with, howeer, I don’t belive that you hae to have a different model to achive that goal.  Anyone else think so?

November 15, 2006


Filed under: Assignments,Nov. 15-28 — rodlewis @ 1:21 pm

Hey Men and Women,
Here’s your reminder that your reading this week is from the Carson book, chapter 4, Timothy Keller’s essay.
Might I suggest that you make your blog deadline Tuesday night (would have been class), so that you don’t have to worry about it over Thanksgiving break, and so that there will be lots of time for commenting.
So also, reminder that there is no class next Tuesday, Nov. 21 because of Thanksgiving.

I also want to encourage you to take this extra time to get a jump on your final worship project. Consider it to be an actual service that will be done. How would you approach that? Give the project no less.

November 14, 2006

Biblical Leaders

Filed under: Uncategorized — conorwaters @ 6:50 pm

Have you guys ever met someone who demanded to be called “Pastor _______.” I have met many and I know many here at CIU believe that these people deserve their titles. I refuse to bow to any man or puff him up with honorary titles. On page 121 in Kimball he talks a little about this issue. Matthew 29:6-12 says that titles are used by Pharisees and only for puffing people up. So according to the letter of the law Protestants have stopped calling people “father” but why have we missed the spirit of this passage?

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